'Nobody knew what to do': Dude gets fired for harassment, uses job as a reference anyways

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    Font - "Tell them the truth" you mean how you were fired because of misconduct? Okey dookey. LOC To be clear, this isn't my story, it's my sister's. She randomly told me this last Friday when I dropped by for dinner, and I just thought it'd fit this sub. Her previous employment was with a branch of a Swedish retail store. They sell expensive, luxurious furniture. When my sister was working there they had about 20 people working the floor, the highest being the regional manager, he's also the onl
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    Font - Each person in this higher office covered a different part of the store. There were, iirc, an accountant, a biller, an HR, a purchaser, and a Head Office, to whom basically everyone reported. My sister was the biller (I never cared enough to ask her what exactly her job was). The purchaser, let's call him Jack, was a competent guy. He did his job to near perfection and would often help others with theirs, as well as went out on the floor interacting with people. But, apart from the high o
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    Font - Until one day, when the boss (the Swedish guy) came in. He would often work remotely and only came in during disarrayed hours. Apparently, when he's about to enter the store, he saw, from outside the window, Jack pestering a female floor attendant. She was clearly very annoyed. The boss observed for a while and eventually caught the guy placing his hand on her thighs. He immediately called the office, all 5 of them, into a meeting, and asked Jack to clarify his intentions. Jack said they'
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    Font - Now, as sickening as it may sound, in my country this is somewhat normal. When girls get harrassed like this, it's their fault for not covering themselves properly. In these instances, people would justify the harassment and blame the victim instead. My generation is trying to reject this mindset, but some people are just built differently.
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    Font - But, because the boss was not from my country, he saw this as a major issue. Despite Jack trying to plead that it's nothing, he decided to launch a store- wide investigation, into the high office as well (my sister included) because he thought they were covering for Jack. My sister said she actually thought she'd be fired, or at least reprimanded, she had never seen him so serious before.
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    Font - The result was... alarming. Each and every female floor attendant (6 or 7 of them) said they'd been pestered by Jack at least once, some even said he touched them without consent. The boss asked why nobody stepped up, they said they were ashamed and feared retaliation. He then questioned the high office to find out that they were too busy to notice what was happening. Also, nobody ever threatened retaliation, people just assumed there would be because it's usually what happens in my count
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    Font - After a week and a half, another meeting was scheduled, in which Jack was given the option to resign or be fired. No action was taken against everyone else in the high office, but they were told (quite firmly) that this kind of neglect could never happen again. Even at that meeting, Jack's still insisted that it was nothing. He'd spent the whole duration of the investigation complaining to everyone in the store, including the people he's harassed, that the boss was overreacting. People ju
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    Font - Things were quiet for a week or two, and then it got interesting. One day the Head Office lady received a phone call from Jack, during which he asked that they'd be his reference for his new interviews. She was taken back a bit and asked him - "You want to make us your reference?"
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    Font - Jack -"Yes, I believe I had done my work well enough for you guys to put on a good word" It's true, he's very efficient. In fact, they'd had a hard time finding his replacement, they ended up taking a portion of his work for months while looking for someone suitable. Head Office lady -"But... the commotion...?"
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    Font - Jack -"Oh that, I'm sure it's nothing. Just tell the truth and I think they'll understand" Head Office lady, still baffled -"But... but..." Jack -"Look, I won't ask for more, if someone calls just tell them the truth. I'm sure it's nothing"
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    Font - Apparently, Jack still thought if people heard about it they would agree with him. When she got off the phone, she was still stuttering. When everyone knew what happened, they were as well. Nobody knew what to do with it, so they informed their boss. He said it's fine if that's what Jack wanted.
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    Font - Starting the following day, he'd come to the store every day. He also instructed everyone that if it's a call about Jack, it's to be directed to him. I think I also need to mention that after almost 7 years living in VietNam, he can speak decently enough. When the call finally came, the whole office stopped working and instead eavesdropping, there were some people from the floor as well. My sister said that they can only hear from his side of the conversation, but it's pretty easy to see
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    Font - Boss -"(praising Jack with words that would make even the ugliest of witches look like a fairy godmother)" Also boss -"Anything you'll need to worry about? Oh it's just that incident that gave us no choice but to let him go" The other side asked something Boss -"I'm sure he's told you, but he put his hands on one of our female employees without her consent" The other side -"(gasped)" (okay I imagined this one)
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    Font - The other side asked something Boss -"Yes just once..." He did pause at this The other side -"(signed in relief)" (and this one) Boss -"... that I caught him. Every other instance happened without my presence." The other side asked something else Boss -"Yes, I have the meeting record in which he agreed to resign in order for us not to take further actions." The other side said something
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    Font - Boss -"Sure, just contact me via this number. If you want to know anything else I'd be happy to help." Two days later Jack called the Head Office lady again to ask if anyone contacted them for his reference. She said yes and assured him they were telling whoever called "the truth" about his "performance". He said it's strange because he was rejected in his latest interview. I wonder what could have been the reason.
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    Font - Edit 2: Okay since some people thought the store mentioned above was IKEA, I'm just gonna say it now: it's not. Perhaps it's my choice of word, instead of saying "retail", I should have said something else. Just know that they sell furniture, they're from Sweden and they're not IKEA. Also, my sister said the furniture was expensive and luxurious, so you're all gonna have to take her words for it.
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    Font - PN_Guin +3 20 32 "Just because you are as dense as a black hole, doesn't mean everyone is attracted to you." The guy definitely was some type of hole. 6.5k 1.3k Reply Share thunderkerg OP I am definitely stealing this for my future arguments. Reply Share PN_Guin +3 You're welcome 145 ●●● ●●● Reply Share
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    Font - Quiriano_ Got what he deserved. ↑ 779 Reply Share LunaMunaLagoona "Tell them the truth." Whst exactly was he expecting them to day?! 4 375 B Reply Share
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    Font - Marine__0311 +1 I hated checking references when I was hiring people because most companies will give you bullshit answers. If I was called and asked about a former associate, about the only negative thing I was allowed to say is if I would hire them again. I got a call about one guy I'd terminated for doing all kinds of fraudulent activity to pad his numbers. All of which would have gotten the company in serious legal trouble.
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    Font - Of course, the person calling me was trying to verify this guy's performance claims, which were so over the top, they were not even remotely credible. He also claimed he was let go so we didn't have to pay him a bonus, that was not even close to being true. I was able to say he was not re- hireable, and that his claims about his performance and reason for leaving should reflect that. I just asked the person calling me if they believed their company would let someone go if they were produc
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    Font - bud Daminica A case of F around and find out. mor 342 Reply Share Fearless_Hat_227 kinda strange he still sees his actions where normal behaviour 124 Reply Share
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    Rectangle - mad_fishmonger Jack: "Consequences? For my actions? Never had those before, why would they start now?" 116 Reply Share
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    Font - twomz +1 So... not only is he gross, but he's stupid. The way creeps get away with harassing female employees is by being in a position of power over them. Being an interviewee is not a position of power. Can't wait for the followup where he's working in a sandwich shop or something. Reply Share 38

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