Couple refuses their friends’ demand to split joint vacation costs evenly, despite having more kids, sparking a group discussion that cancels the trip and ends the friendship

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  • Man and woman sit on a couch looking frustrated while each holds a smartphone. next to a quote: "My hubby wrote to our chat, and here is what happened after:"
  • Were we the AH to ask not to split the cost equally by 3, because the family sizes are different?
  • There are three families (names changed). The Smiths: F(34), M(33), and 3 children aged 10, 7, and 4. The Browns: F(32), M(33), and a 1-year-old. And us, the Clarks: F(30), M(30), and our son
  • (1). The Smiths first asked the Browns, and then us, if we would like to go on vacation together. We all said yes and agreed that we would buy the tickets that same week, this was in May. After
  • we had bought our tickets, the Smiths said that they hadn't bought theirs yet, and now their tickets cost so much that they weren't sure if they could come.
  • As a side note, we, the Clarks, didn't know that they didn't have tickets yet, and also didn't know that they had an agreement with the Browns that they wanted to
  • buy the tickets together, because the Browns had already purchased theirs. Okay, a few weeks later they bought their tickets and said that they were coming. Everything
  • was fine, aside from the fact that the Smiths and Browns had a little conflict about the order of purchasing the tickets. After that, we had to book a villa for the three families. The Smiths
  • said that they needed 2 rooms. for their family, so we searched for 4-bedroom villas. We found a nice one. At the beginning of August, we were visiting the Smiths, and Mr. Smith said
  • something that caught my ear and made me think about the payment arrangements. He said, "We will divide the villa cost by three." I didn't react then, because I wanted to discuss it
  • with my partner first, since to me it somehow seemed logical that if the Smiths need 2 rooms, then they would pay for the two. rooms.
  • A couple and a young child sit on a couch looking together at an open book.
  • So my hubby wrote to our chat and here is why happened after: My hubby:
  • How are we doing with the overall finances? Well, the cars are already sorted, but what about food and accommodation?
  • Mr Smith: we will send the money for the villa to mr Brown, since he's the one who booked it. Maybe we could do the dinners in turns
  • My hubby: I was thinking more. about the splitting part, how do we split it?
  • Mr smith: Ah, so because we have more kids, we should pay more for the villa? Or what do you mean? My hubby: Yeah.
  • Mr smith: Haha Nice. My hubby: I think in fairness across the board, it would make sense to split the total accommodation cost by number of people, and each household pays its share. We'd also need a separate baby cot on top of that.
  • Mr smith: Good luck. This was our dream trip. We thought we'd invite the Browns and you, so it would be nice and we could get a cooler, bigger villa to split the costs. In reality, you
  • bought your flight tickets before us, even though we'd agreed to do it together at the same time. That meant our tickets ended up costing 1,3k more. Okay, annoying, but we let it go. And I
  • would never have thought that this kind of topic would even come up, the way you're bringing it up right now. We're taking a separate place for our big, expensive family. Then
  • food and other stuff is simple too, so you don't have to split things and calculate how much more my kids eat compared to yours.
  • Me: Did your tickets get more expensive because of us? That's really not the place to be blaming us. Mr smith: It's not blame, it's a fact. The next day
  • Mr brown: okey, so it's simple. Each family stays separately and everyone gets their own issue solved. I hope we can at least still manage to do it in the same city. I'm cancelling the last booking now.
  • Mr brown (some hours later): Our family decided to look at *city name* and booked ourselves an apartment there. That town is the most recommended for families. If anyone's still interested in getting accommodation in that area or nearby, our host offered to help us find something.
  • Mrs smith: I wanted to say one more thing about this villa/splitting topic, because that conversation left me with a bit of a bad feeling, and I wouldn't want any weird tension to stay between us because of it.
  • Our idea was never, from the start, that anyone should have to cover our three kids' extra costs, or that you should somehow. have to contribute more. We just thought of it simply as: we're
  • going on a trip with friends, we rent a shared villa, and we split the shared costs three ways, without starting to count every child, bed, meal, etc. separately. For us it would have been totally
  • normal to also help pay for your baby cots, even though we don't use them. Same with shared food costs, for us that's just a shared travel expense, not some precise consumption accounting.
  • We probably also assumed a bit that we're all the kind of people who don't run into these kinds of issues, since everything went really smoothly when we traveled together last time. For example, eating out, we split the bill
  • equally, even though there were actually pretty big differences in what each family spent. But nobody started counting who ate what or whose bill happened to be bigger. It just felt to us like a normal thing between friends,
  • sometimes one person pays more, sometimes another. We also have a really nice experience from another trip, where we stayed in a villa with four families: one family had no kids at all, another had one kid, and two
  • families had two kids each. Still, we split both the food and accommodation costs equally among the four families. Nobody started looking at how many people or kids were in whose family, since we were traveling
  • together and for us it was simply a shared cost. That's why splitting accommodation by headcount this time felt a bit unfair to us, not because we don't want to pay our share, but because the
  • villa price isn't actually determined per person anyway. We're not paying for 11 separate accommodations for 11 people; we're renting one villa at a fixed price that fits all of us. The fact that we have three more kids
  • doesn't directly create a proportionally bigger cost in the villa. That's why we looked at 4- bedroom villas in the first place, since a 3-bedroom wouldn't have
  • worked for our family, but for us it was simply a joint decision to find a house that works for everyone.
  • And really, that's the whole point of traveling as a bigger group, if there are more of us, we can get a cooler villa with more space, a pool, and a nice common area where everyone can hang out together. For us the whole point of the trip was exactly that, being
  • together: cooking dinner together, just sitting and chatting, kids playing together, etc. We could easily have just gone on our own with our own family and gotten separate accommodation. We invited you
  • specifically because we wanted to travel together and spend time together. That's why it's a bit sad now that if the accommodations end up separate, a big part of that "traveling together" feeling is lost for us. We'd basically just
  • end up being there at the same time and maybe running into each other on the beach during the day, but the evening togetherness and the shared-villa idea would be gone. With the current solution, we also
  • feel a bit like, since we have more kids, that gets counted against us financially, even though we never expected anyone to cover costs related to our kids. For us it would actually have felt totally
  • normal for some cost to work out more in our favor at times, and more in your favor at other times, like the last time. I completely understand that splitting by headcount feels more fair to you, and I'm not trying to
  • claim our way is the only right one. I just wanted to explain how we thought about this from the start, and why it hit us a bit badly right now. At the same time, maybe it's even good that this came up now
  • rather than only once we're actually there. At least we now understand that we simply have a different understanding when it comes to shared costs. And I definitely don't want this to turn into some bigger conflict or tension between us, I just wanted to honestly say how we see this situation.
  • Me: my hubby actually brought this topic up to discuss it, because we've always been on trips where the households were the same size and costs ended up similar overall. Right now there was no discussion at all, but there was an assumption on your side that it would be the same like Ist time.
  • But for me, the last trip and this trip aren't really comparable, since the household sizes are different, and like you said yourself, that's exactly why a bigger villa was booked. Honestly, I was hoping for a discussion about how we could do this so everyone's happy, but instead we got a reaction of frustration from mr smith. It's good you explained it, and it really would be nice if we could stay together in one
  • shared villa. But when it comes to costs, it's unavoidable that a bigger family means bigger costs, and in my opinion, splitting it 3 ways isn't fair.
  • Mr Smith: Sorry, but compared to what villa did we now get a bigger one? Compared to the one where, if the inviting family, the Smith, didn't fit and they'd have had separate accommodation? Or that you would have gotten a comparably cool villa for a better price if it had one fewer bedroom?? Nonsense. Now I understand that you wanted to go on a different kind of trip than we did.
  • Another thing is food. Do our kids realistically eat as much as adults, that this cost should be pushed so heavily onto us? And food can obviously be made separately, but that's pointless when it comes to a shared villa vacation. Eating out is simple, everyone just pays for themselves. I'm sorry that I didn't let any discussion happen yesterday and blew up over that constant beating-around-the-bush talk. (I was having a cr p day.)
  • Mrs smith: For us, it would still feel strange to start breaking down a shared trip like that, by headcount or by consumption. We don't want to turn the vacation into some Excel project where we're checking, for every single cost, who brought how musch, who ate what, whose kid used what, or who caused some extra expense. For us, that kind of accounting takes away a lot of that easy, carefree feeling of traveling together.
  • So we actually now understand that the shared-villa option just doesn't work for our group this time, and that's it. It's a shame, of course, because for us the whole point of going together was that shared togetherness itself, not just happening to be in the same country at the same time. But at least this difference came out now, rather than only during the trip.
  • My hubby: mrs smith, calm down, calm down, a discussion can't happen if you just fly off the handle again. We really did have one three-bedroom villa booked at one point, when there was confusion about whether you were even coming, but as soon as we found out you'd bought your flight tickets after all, I cancelled that villa.
  • The idea was simply to have something in place, and at that point there was a choice. in both quality and price. Since there were similar villas nearby, I thought at the time that if we booked two separate villas, it would also be possible for each family to have some separate time if they wanted it.
  • On the food side, I was mainly thinking about eating out, but you didn't even ask for clarification, you immediately assumed we meant splitting sandwich slices. I understand that 3 kids don't equal 3 adults, but everyone still understands they consume something. My point wasn't to turn this trip into some literal Excel project
  • where everyone logs every bite in a notebook, but to split things fairly in some proportional way. Just splitting it three ways straight isn't fair to us, in my opinion. I just wanted to talk everything through before we go on the trip, since walking around on the trip with clenched fists in your pocket isn't fun either.
  • Maybe the idea of everyone taking separate apartments/villas/hotels isn't such a bad one, since that way everyone can also get some peaceful time to recharge now and then. Mrs smith: Browns, what was your position before this topic came up, and what is it now?
  • Mr brown: Dear friends, Smiths, I sincerely hope mr Smith has a bit of a better day today and can take this as a discussion and as their friends' thoughts/concerns, not as an attack. Mr clarks starting a discussion about money matters was, from what I can see, entirely reasonable, and it's good that it all came up before the trip. But it's very unfortunate that it came wrapped in such a nasty rant.
  • Your thoughts and reasoning can be summed up pretty simply, I think: you don't want us to pay for your three kids, but we're still splitting everything three ways. How is that financially fair? You keep bringing up last trip. Like mrs clark mentioned, there every household
  • clark mentioned, there every household had exactly the same number of people and consumers. If anything, our households ended up with a fair deficit there since we only had one alcol drinker in the family... (and that was totally fine in that situation).
  • Yes, your three kids don't equal three adults in terms of consumption. But they do consume. And they need an extra bedroom. When we go to a restaurant, it's totally normal and clear that every child wants their own food, and there's no question about that. Whether and how. someone eats their meal is up to each family. Does splitting it three ways really seem fair to you?
  • Mrs smith, you mention it's totally fine if some cost works out more in your favor and some in ours. How can that possibly work out in our favor at all here? Our households simply have fewer consumers. Mr smith, you asked whether your kids. realistically eat as much as adults, that this cost should be pushed so heavily onto you. clarify? they're your kids??
  • On accommodation, it's simply a fact that your kids need a separate bedroom. Again, totally fine and necessary. But would you actually want to split the villa cost by number of bedrooms? Mr clark's proposal would have been more or less okay and a fair middle ground.
  • How is it that we want to go on a different kind of trip than you? If your trip is one where money matters aren't clearly discussed and end up disproportionate, then mr smith, you're right. Nobody claimed we're going to start counting slices of bread here — the goal was rather to start a friendly discussion about how we could do this so it's comfortable for you and good for us too.
  • This discussion shouldn't get in the way of actually managing things and being together, but unfortunately it seems like you're taking it that way. Obviously there are very big gaps in opinions here. And I definitely don't want to ruin your dream trip. Maybe the better solution really is separate accommodations.
  • Since mr smith mentioned yesterday that they're booking separate accommodation for their family, I've cancelled our shared villa, and our family booked an apartment. And if this keeps nagging at you, we can look into maybe changing the destination or dates. Please let us know, since there's still time for us to change things.
  • Mrs smith: And just to clarify one more thing about food costs, we never even talked about splitting all restaurant bills three ways. We said earlier that of course each family pays for their own bill there. Our idea was only that while living in the shared villa, we'd split shared grocery costs three ways, like toilet paper, eggs, bread/sandwich stuff, grill supplies, etc. If someone wants separate snacks, candy, or something else for their kids, of course each family buys that themselves. Simi
  • it would have been totally fine on our end to put things like baby food and diapers on the shared grocery bill, even though our family doesn't use those. And for the villa itself, it also felt totally normal to us to split the total cost three ways, including your extra baby-cot fee, even though we don't need those. For us it was simply a shared villa cost, and honestly we wouldn't have started thinking, "but we don't use that, why should we pay for it."
  • But well, it turns out we really do think about this kind of shared travel and cost- splitting quite differently. For us this approach feels natural and chill; for you it apparently again seems that our way is unfair. Oh well, people are different. Mr brown: Mrs brown: I'd like for us to stay friends.
  • Mr brown: The point of raising this topic was never to argue over how many ways we split the toilet paper. It was about bigger costs like accommodation, shared meals, eating out at restaurants, etc. WC paper isn't a concern right now. And honestly, nothing is a concern anymore. Agree to disagree, and let's move on with our lives.
  • The next day Mrs smith: You're honestly the perfect example of someone participating in a discussion - not a single opinion offered, and then suddenly bam, everything's "clear"!!! We're cancelling the villa and we've already booked a new one." " I'm leaving this group either way. I can't sleep at night anymore because of this cr p. Mrs Smith left the group.
  • Mrs brown: Since this group's dynamic is so screwed up right now, let's be normal about it and talk it all through again once we're able to discuss things calmly. Don't really have the desire to go to that trip anymore.
  • Mr smith: Went south. You could have brought these topics up while we were together in person, since looking back I can see you'd already sorted things out between yourselves. It probably would have come across more humanely if you'd talked about it that way. A lot gets lost over Messenger, and it's hard to correctly read someone's emotions behind a text.
  • Apparently, if I'd also used chat to help draft my message, I would have sounded gentler and could have thrown in the sharper bits myself. It's easy to let people vent their emotions on and on for ages and then, in the end, write up a summary that trashes every other person's messages in the thread, even though most of it had
  • already been explained by us. Sad. I already apologized, a while ago. I'll apologize again. We've now gotten the tickets cancelled and are trying to move on with our lives and calmly take care of our mental health. Summer's still ahead. Bye. Mr smith left the group.
  • So this was the end of the convesation. Were we really in wrong to ask about how we would split the cost?
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