Computer science student says their refusal to share credit on a group project—after their assigned partner did no work—made their partner fail out of the class and program: ' I accidentally ruined his whole degree'

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"Guy slacked off on a group project, and I accidentally ruined his whole degree"

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PlasticMix8573 You give yourself WAY too much credit for his failures. He did that all on his own.
BSThrowaway-13 (OP) I guess so. Not gonna lie, when we learned he really did flunk out of having a degree at all, I felt bad for him, but at the same time, it's not like I could've done anything differently. My university back then was very serious about cheating, whenever they saw people copying projects, they didn't care about figuring out who copied who, and just sanctioned both sides, so it's not like I could risk losing my degree, which was a very serious possibility on a project this size.
BSThrowaway-13 (OP) Oh yea. I kept all my code in my Github, and most of it was public as well during university, cause I was actively working, (and trying to find jobs that sucked slightly less, the first 3 software dev jobs | had legit paid me barely above minimum wage) so it was good to show it on your CV.
The professor who taught the web development electives, (best professor ever by the way) warned me to not do that, cause someone copied one of my homeworks. He was nice enough to not ding me at all, cause he could see the changelogs in mine, and it was blatantly obvious the other guy copied everything, but not every professor would've been that nice, so from then on, I set everything to private until after I had a grade from the given subject.
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Blue_Veritas731 You might consider putting this story in one or more of the Revenge subreddits. It might qualify as Pro Revenge, given the ultimate effect on his professional advancement going forward.
BSThrowaway-13 (OP) I mean, I didn't take any revenge. It was half me not wanting to get punished for facilitating cheating, and half him walking onto a rake all by himself.
bobk2 In my statistics class I had a foreign student who wanted to see my report before I handed it in, so he could see how I worded things, and he copied some wording, evidently. When I got the paper pack from my prof, my mark was "0 Next time don't plagiarize" The other guy got a good mark. I explained what happened and the prof relented and gave me my proper grade. My guess is that he read the other guy's paper first and figured that the second guy must have copied the first, which is especia
BSThrowaway-13 (OP) I'd never let someone take a single peak at an essay. Only code I have on Github, where I have logs showing when I wrote it.
bainon even if you had helped him he just would have continued the behavior and either failed on the next one or found another person to exploit. In no way is this your fault. He made his decisions and then had to handle the results.
BSThrowaway-13 (OP) It boggles my mind, cause like, if his whole degree does ride on this subject, why not just knuckle down and do the project? Obviously I don't have to say I never saw him at any of the consultation hours the professor offered, but like, it makes perfect sense to me, that if the subject really is that important, you'd take that help where you can.
FriendlyITGuy Reminds me of the time I took a marketing class in college. The whole semester was full of group projects. We got put into groups of 4-5 people by the professor and were given one project to start, then another one or two were added on through the semester so at times we were working on two projects at once.
One girl in our group almost never came to class. She knew of "a" project we were working on, so she asked me how the group was doing on the project. I asked her which one she was referring to, and she just kept saying "The project". I again asked her which one, because again, we were working on two of them at once.
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She finally snapped at me and said "Just because you're having a stty day doesn't mean you have to take it out on me!" Needless to say she never showed up for any of the presentations and we were sure to pull her name from anything we submitted.
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BSThrowaway-13 (OP) I had to take one business management and marketing class (I'm not quite sure how it would be called in English, but that is the translation of what it was called) for my CS degree, and I'll say, that was by far the worst of all the group projects. I never knew there could ever exist a bunch that were lazier then CS undergrads, and yet, life finds a way.
Big_Pair2236 these people are so ridiculous mate, I had to deal with the same when I went back to Uni to do a masters at the grand age of 31. I wouldnt even feel bad at all, if he ends up "succeeding" he will just annoy other people in other high pressure jobs.
The gall of these people to text the day before due and ask for all the answers and copies of essays and s is extremely rde as well.
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BSThrowaway-13 (OP) I had the day of/previous night texts all throughout uni, and at one point, just stopped responding. I am very anxious with deadlines, so I'd usually have everything done at worst a couple days early, usually more like a week for longer projects, so a lot of people knew to ask me, but at one point, I simply didn't open Messenger anymore on exam weeks, Imao.
transat_prof The real takeaway for me is that you used the office hours to exceed expectations! "where he'd be really helpful with every question anyone had, you just had to show up and ask"... Exactly! This actually warms my professorial heart.
BSThrowaway-13 (OP) I am a bit hazy on the exact details, but giving these open office hours was mandatory for X hours a week for every professor, but most of them. did the bare minimum, or didn't even show up to their own office hours, so it was impossible to get help from them. (forget ever getting a reply to an email, if you're just some average undergrad)
So yea, a lot of us appreciated greatly what that prof was doing for us. I hope he is still doing well to this day, tho I know he doesn't teach at that hellhole anymore.
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transat_prof I'll admit that I officially schedule the bare minimum, but that's because 75% of the students will say they can't come to whatever time I chose that makes sense for my weekly duties. I end up adding more when folks email for alternate times anyway, so it means less time waiting for people who never come and more time knowing in advance who I should expect and how I can prepare... But that's TMI! I'm glad both you and he got out of the hellhole!
BSThrowaway-13 (OP) I have no idea how it worked officially, cause he just told us the hours for the week at the end of the lecture, so I never checked his page on the website where we were meant to look at this stuff. Good on you tho, mad respect for every teacher/prof that does extra on top of all the work you all have to do in the first place.
FuckYou0003 You should send him the project on FB and say sorry it was a bit late but you hope it helps.
BSThrowaway-13 (OP) That got a chuckle out of me. I'm not sure I still have it saved, lol, I'll have to check my old hard drive
caelumpanache I don't understand why he wouldn't just stay in a group and take the partial credit.
BSThrowaway-13 (OP) Beats me. I would not have been happy to work with him. again, obviously, but I was enough of a pushover back then, that I never would've tried to get the prof to allow changing groups midway through like he did.
R3D3-1 Knew a guy who was just failing along by copying exercises from others. He became a technician somewhere y so he's doing fine all things considered.
Would have been better for him to have that he won't finish the curriculum anyway sooner though. Never passing a single exam (and when it becomes a problem stopping to go there) should be a strong hint.
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But this one seems to be common; Austria introduced a "study entrance phase", where key lectures of the first two semesters have to be passed by a deadline in order to both prot CT people from wasting their time with stubbornness and protecting university resources. How well it works in practice I can't say.
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BSThrowaway-13 (OP) This was a huge issue back at uni, so many people were copying every single project work they had to do. I never got it, cause how do you expect to learn to program if you never actually write a single line of code on your own? And again, this was before ChatGPT, so even that excuse wasn't there, I shudder to imagine what it is like now.
Equivalent-Salary357 I am a retired US Midwest high school teacher. Mainly chemistry, with a smattering of math and general science early in my career until the chemistry program grew large enough. (late 70's, early 80's)
It still dumbfounds me how may parents and students focused solely on the grade. Many of these kids intended to go on to science related programs such as engineering, pharmacy, nursing, premed, etc. Yet they didn't see the course as preparing for their future. They saw it as a box to check with as little effort as possible.
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And to a lesser extent but way too often, that was the viewpoint of the parents.
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I had one parent who repeated "she has to get an A to get a scholarship" over and over in a meeting they requested with me and the principal. Eventually, I told the parent I would give his daughter an A+ for each grading period and she could continue without doing any work in the course.
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At that point that he repeated what I had been saying to him, "but she won't be ready for college if she doesn't do the work." "But she has to have an A to get the scholarship", I stated, having 'taken his point of view'.
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We cycled through that a few times and then he said, "No, she won't be ready for college. I'm going to tell her she has to get her b to work." He thanked me, stood up and left. The principal looked at me and said something like "that was risky".
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She did "get her b to work" and she did earn an A+ on each of the following grade periods.
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I knew dad couldn't afford full tuition and I quietly went into that first grade period and changed her F to an A without telling her or her parents (or the principal). She did get the scholarship. It was just my class she was failing. She's a pharmacist now.
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That was back in the 1990s. I retired about 20 years after that meeting. It probably wouldn't have 'worked' toward the end of my career. It was only getting worse and worse. sorry for the long reply. I tend to get carried away
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BSThrowaway-13 (OP) Oh yea, I used to tutor engineering students from a different university in town for extra cash, back when I was still working on my CS degree, and it was the same even with adults studying to be engineers!
"I just need to pass this subject" my man, your job - will require you to write code, how do you expect to even pass a job interview if you never learn how to
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mikeyj198 as a parent of a diabetic, thanks for your research!
BSThrowaway-13 (OP) Lol, it was the professor's research. He was doing medical stuff for years at that point, we just recreated a dummy version of one of his projects for education purposes.
Spa-Ordinary Reminds me i should get that proposal done instead of reading these cautionary tales. I need to be more like OP and less like AH.
BSThrowaway-13 (OP) | Lol, good luck on it

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