'You WILL pay me': Employee confronted by boss for billing overtime for mandatory company retreat, HR unable to deny payment

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    Font - If I'm REQUIRED to be there, you WILL pay me. This originated (by me) as a reply to a post of someone in a similar situation. i hope you enjoy. A couple decades back my company (~160 people) had a mandatory retreat in state, but 600 miles away. There was a mix of salaried and hourly staff required to go, I was hourly. I emailed my supervisor and HR some pointed question leading up to the weekend. Was going a condition of employment? Yes. Could I take my own transportation? No. We came to
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    Font - that Sunday, company was taking us to airport, then shuttle to retreat location, same for return trip. Could I visit local sites during down time? There was to be no down time, our time was scheduled down to 30 minute increments for the whole weekend. Leaving the site would be grounds for disciplinary action.
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    Font - When we got back, I entered 50+ hours of overtime on my time card. Supervisor came in and yelled at me, told me to submit a new one. I refused and asked for HR. Some co- workers heard the ruckus and asked what was going on. I told them and gave my reasoning for submitting the over time. Met with HR, supervisor & director a couple hours later. They were trying to convince me that these weren't work hours, but time for self improvement. I showed them their own emails stating my employment w
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    Font - and the required participation was the totality of the time there. Since I was required to be there and be actively engaged, it was 100% work time. HR wanted me to take the extra hours as compensatory time, but I declined since I had no choices regarding when the event occurred, I wanted to be fully paid for said time.
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    Font - The director folded his arms and said, "Not going to happen, I'll fire you first." I laughed and asked the HR guy to explain it to him. They stepped out for 5-10 minutes, while my supervisor harangued me about "making all this trouble." When they got back, the HR person told me my next check would reflect the time on the condition I didnt say anything to anyone else, and produced an agreement to sign to that effect. I read it over, pushed it back and told them I cant sign it as written in
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    Font - Once the dust settled, that mandatory trip cost the company about $500k more in pay, legal fees and fines than they had originally budgeted for. When company leadership pushed back on other employees that submitted belated time cards, the CLWDA was notified, did an investigation that just made soup of the "policies and provisions" applied to employee overtime at that place. I voluntarily left before that company's next Annual Summit, so I don't know what if any changes were made for follo
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    Font - SScitizen 20 hr. ago I love this story. I hate companies trying to create a "culture" thinking they don't have to pay you. Work is transactional. I work for you. You pay me money. I am not there busting my to have fun and be a team. (I did that already in the military) your CEO being a billionaire isn't the mission I am going to work for free for. 1.3k Reply Share
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    Font - 21 hr. ago You owned them - drop the mic moment ↑ 291 kiwimuz Reply Share
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    Font - WGOE dalbach77 21 hr. ago Corporate bull retreats are the reason I went to work for a startup. Some really weird attitudes. 228 Reply Share
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    Mammal - LAKnightYEAH2023 · 20 hr. ago Awesome job standing up for yourself. You can only be exploited if you allow it.
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    Gesture - Ceilibeag 20 hr. ago YOU'RE THE HERO GOTHAM NEEDS AND DESERVES.
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    Font - Redliono 20 hr. ago Bravo, OP. You are a champion. A King among kings. Chef's kiss
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    Font - whererebelsare 18 hr. ago I said this on your comment and I'm glad to see it will get attention as its own post. This is a slow clap moment here.. clap...clap...clap Well done I'm proud for you.
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    Font - docthenightman - 15 hr. ago . At my last company my former boss put together a team building exercise for a Wednesday night which, as he knew, was difficult for me as my kids were very young then. But I did, and recouped PTO I had taken earlier in the pay period. He calls me the following Monday like "hey whoa man we took you out blah blah blah" after a bit of arguing he just let it go. I have a feeling it would have gone very badly if pushed further (for the company).
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    Font - Then he tried to get me to "retreat" go on some but by then I already had my current job lined up. In contrast, at my current job I set up an Escape Room with my immediate coworkers during the day, including my boss, we all went and basically included the time as work lol. The downside is that we all had to pay for ourselves, but I'll take it over corporate nonsense.

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