Manager schedules mandatory teambuilding dinner at 7 PM, gets offended when asked if is paid: 'Not everything has to be transactional'

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  • Colleagues standing in groups talking to one another in the evening, next to a table with drinks on it.
  • My manager called a 7pm team dinner mandatory and got annoyed when I asked if it was paid

    I was on my laptop finishing up work yesterday when an email came through saying we're having a mandatory team bonding dinner next Thursday at 7pm. Restaurant is about 40 minutes from the office, everyone pays for their own food and this is after a normal workday.
  • I asked my manager if it counted as work time since the email literally says mandatory. He stared at me for a second and said not everything has to be transactional. I told him I wasn't trying to be difficult. I just wanted to know whether I was actually required to go.
  • Now I've been told I need to work on being more invested in the team. Am I crazy? If work tells me I have to be somewhere, why is asking whether it's paid suddenly a personality problem?
  • A group of colleagues sitting at a dining table with wine glasses at night.
  • Other people also thought the situation was odd.

    Zwicker101 This is where I'd ask your HR department for clarification
  • Adventurous_March_58 No. Can't be mandatory as prescribed by your manager. Your state labor board will have something to say about that.
  • They felt like this type of manager was one of the worst types.

    viking12344 I love the managerial types that expect you to work for free. And that dinner is working for free. Last thing I want to do is see my coworkers more. I spend more time with them than my wife and family as it is.
  • InevitablePeace5852 mandatory dinner after hours without pay is ridiculous, that's definitely not how it should work
  • They suggested the employee should be billing the company.

    anywho123 kind of mandatory team dinner has you pay for your own food? I'd bill mileage, and account for the time spent at dinner and I'd expense my meal. If my boss had a problem with that, I'd be sure to invite HR and my union rep to the conversation to discuss.
  • Beginning_Deer_735 "Everything doesn't have to be transactional"? I'm sorry-are we friends? Is this a marriage? This is work, so your darn right it has to be transactional.
  • DrJohnZoidbergWhy Not I'd go, eat nothing and submit for my time and mileage.
  • The demand went against the appropriate work rules.

    khearan No, 100% no. At the absolute minimum dinner should be paid if it's mandatory. If you're hourly you should be paid for work (mandatory) time.
  • scalenesquare Paying for your own food is insane Imao
  • DaFarmGar My company just did a non mandatory but highly recommended company barbeque. Enough brisket to feed about 40 people well. Was ridiculously good eats, from 12:00-1:30, and we got paid to be there. Met a few people I've never talked to before. Your boss/job just s ks that's all.
  • It was pointed out that most companies compensate in this situation, one way or another.

    Easy_Olive1942 In most places, if you are required to go, you get paid. It's not a personality problem, this actually creates a liability risk for businesses if they are not clear. Big lawsuits have occurred in the US over this, employers usually lose.
  • Global Research_9335 If he wants team bonding he can take you all to lunch and let you take a couple hours so you can get there and back and have a reasonable time for lunch, and he should expense it. You should be paid for the time, and if it's not where you can walk to - for mileage too.

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