Manager says female employee sounds ‘disrespectful’ in email, so she shows him an identical email from praised male coworker: 'I refuse to be overly polite'

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  • "Copied my male colleagues’ email style and told I’m being rvde"

    I'm a woman in my late 20s, working in a corporate environment. I'm pretty established in my career and company but not managerial. I usually email in a very "hi! How are you? :))))" way that doesn't reflect my professionalism and I feared it was affecting how others saw me.
  • I took a leaf out of my male colleagues' books. They email/ message with no emojis, exclamation marks or fluff. Their emails aren't r de but aren't overly nice and apologetic. Turns out, while everyone respects their "direct tone" and "professional approach", I am "rade and disrespectful" for emailing the exact same way.
  • In fact, I once even copied an entire email from a male colleague and sent it to someone (generic wording that applied in my email anyway). My manager said it was ride! I showed my manager the emails side by side and he was embarrassed for calling me up on it. We're supposed to be a company that cares about sexism... Anyway, have a day everyone. I refuse to be overly polite just because I'm a woman c
  • AbracadabraMagic PoWa Women are punished for directness, men are not. ModeAccomplished7989 • men are respected and rewarded for directness ScotchTapeConnosieur As a mediocre middle aged white man you have no idea how true this is
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  • FrailUnoriginality They get raises for it and mansplain how being direct is best. But every time I've tried it I get the same comments, "why are you being so r de now?" But at the same time will snicker and snort over how there's too many words/emojis, etc and refuse to "actually read all that nonsense".
  • Emkems yeahhhh it's because you're a woman and are expected to be a perky people pleaser. When I read back through emails before sending I intentionally edit to cut down on "soft" words because I want to email "like a guy." Some people mistake a direct question for rudeness and it's baffling.
  • TaylorMade2566 Yeah, I've been told I'm blunt in my emails. So I started doing that "hope your week is going well" bs before I get to the meat of what I need. Give me a break. I have NEVER seen a man do this in their emails so why should I?
  • par72565 Kudos for showing your boss their own bias by copying the email. It's a great way to make people see their own biases. Available_Ask_9958 And creates evidence for when she's fired and replaced with a man for "being r_de"
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  • CuriousPenguinSocks I've had this happen, when literally I copy/pasted my managers old email and just changed/add the relevant information. It was so we were consistent with communications to other departments across the board. My manager didn't like it. So, I showed him the email (his) that I made into my template.
  • Just keep receipts for these things, and show them. Be polite about it, I like the innocent approach. Where I clearly lay out the evidence but in a way where I'm like "can you explain to me how these are different so I don't continue to do this again?" way. They never can and are forced to say so. Or, make the male coworkers change too. It's glorious when you use it against them.
  • Double-Phrase-3274 I had the SAME conversation with my manager around 1998. Not enough has changed
  • CruisinYEG As a male manager, I had to tell my female staff how their emails come off(after some customer complaints). The customers told me how lovely they are over the phone but their emails feel dismissive. I try to be honest with my staff that it is a complete double standard and not fair at all. I absolutely can write emails differently than them and have the other party interpret it positively.
  • They've told me they really appreciate my candidness and have me proof read some of their emails (in conflicting situations) now and ask 'does this sound. bitchy?'
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  • kagtxyz I was once told by my VP that I was too direct and needed to be more like a "Georgia Peach". I was a Director.
  • Physical_Ad5135 This is not a surprise to me as a 50's woman. Coworker friend of mine was a woman in a high level managerial role. She got things done and was excellent at her job, but was very direct. Not r de in anyway and spoke much like her male colleagues. Her male c level manager gave her a review with the comment "BE SWEETER".
  • pencilforawingbone Amazing you got to call out your manager with such undeniable evidence. Leaving behind the people pleasing voice is hard if you've established that tone with your coworkers already, but they can learn to hear exactly what you're communicating without you having to soften it for them.
  • Kairiste High fives for showing your manager the side by side emails! Glad he had the self-awareness to be embarrassed. Honestly is utter crop that we have to be so smiley and happy-happy. There's instances of other women who swapped email addresses with male co-workers and... surprise surprise... the male was responded to less often, while the woman saw an increase in engagement with clients. uckin patriarchy.

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