Employee uses obscure employee handbook loophole to take PTO when their boss forbids them from taking it before it expires: 'PTO requests not explicitly denied [...] within 48 business hours are [...] approved.”'

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  • "Boss said I must use my vacation before month end but also “no one can take time off”, so I read the policy"

    Company sends a shiny HR email, subject line all caps, USE IT OR LOSE IT. We had to burn our remaining PTO by the 30th or it evaporates into the sun. Same day, my manager announces in standup that due to quarter end "no one can take time off until the 1st." I asked how to reconcile that, he shrugs and says talk to HR. HR says talk to your manager. Cute loop. So I
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  • opened the handbook, because I am a petty librarian when annoyed. Page 14 has this little sentence I never noticed. "PTO requests not explicitly denied in writing within 48 business hours are considered approved." There is also a note that partial day PTO is allowed in 1 hour blocks. Thank you, legal team.
  • I submitted ten separate requests. Two hours every morning next week, two hours every afternoon the week after, a random Friday 3 to 5 to watch a plumber, and one full day to visit my mom. I sent the requests in our HR portal, which auto emails the manager and CCs a shared mailbox nobody
  • watches. Then I went back to my tasks and set reminders. Forty eight business hours pass. No denial. The portal changes each request to approved, green checkmark, confetti gif. Monday comes and at 9.58 I put a cheerful note in the team chat. "Heading out, see you at noon."
  • Manager pings me to hop on a client call, I reply with a screenshot of the policy and the portal approval. Silence. Then three dots typing, then nothing.
  • By Wednesday our calendar looked like cheese. Half the team remembered they also had PTO sitting around and started filing it in little blocks. Meetings kept colliding with green bars. Finance realized that if we did not use the days now, they would be paid out at separation later, which they hate. HR wrote
  • a new post saying we should "coordinate" but that approvals already granted stand. My manager called a huddle to ask why productivity dipped. I said we are following HR's instruction to use PTO. He said he meant in November. I sent him the original email timestamped this month. He sighed and said he
  • never thought anyone would actually read the handbook. I used every hour, took my mom to lunch, and my plumber fixed the cursed sink at 3.40 while I drank tea. Next week a new policy appeared. PTO must be requested in full day increments during quarter end, and managers must respond in 24 hours. Thanks for clarifying, truly.
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  • Coder Joe1 I used to encourage my employees to use all of their vacation time as well as their sick time. I wanted my team to avoid burning out as it took nearly a year to get a new hire fully trained.
  • muscrerior This malicious compliance is approved.
  • Hoak2017 This is the manager's equivalent of a developer saying "I never thought anyone would actually use that feature."
  • Senor Tron I don't understand what's happening here where at the start it says you would lose the days but then later on says you would get them paid out.
  • Easy_Lengthiness7179 New policy doesnt address a manager randomly deciding that no one can take PTO that month. You will be stuck in the same boat in the future, with no loophole to use your time.
  • hand_me_a_shovel "He sighed and said he never thought anyone would read the handbook." Translation: "If I knew you would be prepared I would have tried a different tactic to fuck you all over to make my numbers and nab my bonus."
  • NoSwimmers45 This is why I always make sure my manager knows that PTO for me doesn't mean "paid time off" but rather "prepare the others" because I'm informing the company that I will not be present on the scheduled day.
  • Look-Its-a-Name Ah yes. When manager stupidity meets company policies, the results are always incredible funny.
  • pacmanwa Got asked two weeks ago what it would take to cancel or move my vacation. I was going hunting in Montana. I gave an off the cuff $15,000. "How do you figure?" $1500 for out of state hunting license and tags, $4000 I have to pay the outfitter even if I don't show. Another $5500+ to reschedule with another outfitter if I do get to go. I got questioned about the remaining $4000, tips and incidentals and cost of my time to scramble and reschedule everything, and mental anguish. It had been
  • mallardtheduck In countries with actual employee rights, denying PTO without an opportunity to use it at a later date would usually require the company to pay out the time or, if it means you can't take the legally-entitled minimum(*), be flat-out illegal. \* Just to be clear; if you don't have to take the legal minimum PTO if you really don't want to (at least in most countries I'm aware of), but the company cannot prevent you from taking it.

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