Female employee starts giving feedback like male coworkers, is called out for being 'harsh': 'I'm not going back to apologizing before every sentence'

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  • I started giving feedback like the men do and apparently I'm being "harsh"

    im a woman in my late 20s. working in a corporate environment, pretty established in my career but not in management yet. i used to give feedback in our retros and team meetings in a really soft way, "i wonder if maybe we could try" and "this is just a thought but" and stacking three apologies before the actual point. i thought it was being collaborative but i was starting to realise it was making my actual ideas land softer than they should.
  • i took a page out of my male colleagues book. he gives feedback in retros with no padding at all, "this didnt work, heres why, lets change it for the next sprint." nobody bats an eyelid, in fact they call him "direct" and "focused." so i started doing the same, said exactly the same kinds of things. in the same tone.
  • my manager pulled me aside and said i was being "harsh" in team meetings and that "people were finding it hard to hear" what i was saying.
  • i listed off the exact phrases id used and the exact phrases my male colleague had used in the same week. they were almost word for word, hes literally the one i was copying. my manager went a bit quiet and said "well it just lands differently when its you." we are apparently a company that cares about sexism in the workplace.
  • anyway, have a day. im not going back to apologising before every sentence just because im a woman.
  • Commenters sympathized with this all-too-common complaint.

    Reasonable_Sun9171 your manager went quiet because there was nothing to say, the receipts were right there, screenshot that conversation and keep it for the next "we value inclusion" all hands.
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  • FootSuitable2288 "well it just lands ifferently when its you" should be on a poster in HR, what a thing for a manager to actually say out loud.
  • Trondant13 It's very sad that a woman giving her opinion makes her ab, but a man giving an opinion makes him assertive. It's infuriating.
  • T140V At my first job as a junior programmer back in 1984, the Chief Programmer was a woman, easily the best technical manager I ever worked for. She had a sign on her desk: "To be thought half as good as a man, a woman has to perform twice as well. Fortunately this is not difficult."
  • my4floofs Yeah don't you know your female so your not supposed to make anyone fell bad.
  • It more likely a reaction to your style changing abruptly. I did the same thing and had the same reaction and had to walk it back. Which sucked. So now I decide project by project how I am going to present myself. New group you know
  • nothing about? All business and direct. A tight group that works well gets a slightly softer approach. Use copilot or Grammarly to check your tone Am currently trading copilot to make my comms written more like a man. It deletes all the please and thank yous and filler words.
  • FYI I'm a manger of 8 people of an international company with over 500 locations and over 35 years experience and I am STILL finding my style. Best of luck to you.
  • Leticia Padilla Solis_ This happened to me once I started moving up at my last employer. When I started giving it back just like male colleagues I was immediately told I needed to work on my soft skills.
  • Good thing I kept all their past transgressions saved as screenshots in my OneNote. Didn't hesitate to show those off. Plus I always had facts and numbers they couldn't talk their way out of which p ed them off even more.
  • Complete Shake_3056 the in between of stacking three apologies and his blunt style is where most senior women land, find the middle that still sounds like you, dont give them ammo to call it "harsh"
  • daisiesarepretty2 to be fair if you establish yourself as kind and considerate and then start leading with harsh and direct why wouldn't that be noticed? here is what i would suggest... and that's all this is..
  • Be you.. and if being you includes a gentler opening then do so. Include the facts. "I think we gave it our best at the time with the info at hand and i understand the rational for said process but i believe it fell short of its intent because of A and B reasons"
  • That is your opening salvo. You say it lands soft, and i assume that means people didn't give your statement due credit or the discussion it deserved. If so, you need to circle around more directly, but without emotion or personal attack.
  • "Wait, i don't think we have addressed points A and B can we discuss these seriously" You need to be ready to back up your points of course because you are demanding to be heard, failure to do so will ding your rep.
  • What has always worried me about modern equality (i am an older man) is that women will start to take the toxic approach which many men do. It works for men because the toxicity often substitutes and glosses over reality and truth. We see
  • that in our f ed up president today. I'd urge you to NOT follow the bro playbook on this. I've had managers/coworkers who took a kind but factual approach and listened to rebuttals, politely. If this fails, doesn't get the attention they feel is
  • appropriate, come back harder. You learn the pattern and understand the consequences. Naturally you do need to pick your battles, cherry pick those you think are important and can be won and know when and who to rebuke publicly.

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