Manager contacts employee's personal phone number while she's on her honeymoon, she feels her boundaries have been violated: 'I'm not trying to escalate. I just want boundaries respected'

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  • A woman on her honeymoon on the beach talks on a cellphone outdoors
  • Is it normal for a manager to contact you during approved leave on your personal number?

    I'm currently on approved. honeymoon leave. Before leaving, I scheduled all New Year posts in advance. My manager approved the leave, signed it, and had the dates in his email. Despite this, he contacted me saying he couldn't see any New Year post- and reached out on both my work number and my personal number.
  • This isn't isolated behavior. There's a pattern: During a . previous holiday, about a week in, he messaged asking "When are you coming back?" - despite the approved leave clearly stating the return date. • On another occasion, I had taken leave to attend my final master's university class, and he called me three times in the evening for a non- urgent question. • He regularly contacts me after working hours.
  • After I replied once (on my work number only) confirming the New Year posts were scheduled before my leave, he followed up saying he was "just checking because he recently had a wedding" – - implying it was about my party. This explanation doesn't fully add up to me, given the timing, the repeated after-hours contact, and the fact that the initial message was about work visibility, not personal plans.
  • I decided to block him on my personal number only and keep all communication strictly on my work number going forward. I'm not trying to escalate - I just want boundaries respected.
  • Questions: Is it reasonable to • keep personal numbers completely off-limits for work? Is reframing . repeated boundary-crossing as "care" a common thing managers do? What's the cleanest way to • enforce this without long-term tension?
  • Commenters gave their takes on the situation.

    Disapointed Void My personal number is on file with HR, and I have given it to a handful of people (mostly colleagues I work away with so we can schedule when to go for dinner, ride shares to site etc without having to keep our work phones on all the time).
  • I think i have had 2 calls out of hours/while on leave from my boss in about 10 years. One was a mistake as he had my work and personal numbers mixed up in his phone, and one was about something non-work related that we were both involved in.
  • I have called the personal numbers of my colleagues/subordinates for work related things 0 times outside of wellness checks if someone doesn't show up without notice. If you have some system access for the business, the business should absolutely
  • have alternative ways to log in to those systems and processes in place to ensure business continuity while you are not there. They should not have to bother you about it.
  • VFTM I refuse to answer anything work related when I'm off. My boss got the message the first time.
  • PickleManAtl A number of years ago when I was still working I made a habit of getting a secondary cell phone with a cheap plan on it to use just for work purposes. Anyone I worked with had that number only, and not my primary personal
  • A woman in sunglasses talks on the phone in a sunny locale
  • number. And when I went home for the day, that number went into airplane mode. I would check it once during the weekend and that was it.
  • LexChase I have a manager who also doesn't get boundaries. For us, out of office goes in our outlook calendars, on teams, and in the department leave spreadsheet.
  • One day, around 10am, on my scheduled work from home day, when teams showed I had been available 5 minutes prior, she messaged and then called me on teams, then my work mobile, then my personal phone, then my Facebook (we weren't Facebook friends but she had sent me a link once to a post related to a thing which had happened at our organisation) in the space of 8 minutes. I was in the bathroom.
  • I dealt with this by blocking her on social media, blocking her on my personal phone, returning my work phone and having teams provisioned on my personal phone. She can now contact me on teams any time she wants, but she can't reach me personally. I never discussed it with her, just did it.
  • kentguy2024 Yes block him on your personal device - I had a slightly different issue I was the manager and it was my team whom weren't respecting my boundaries- they thought it was suitable to message me at 2 am in the morning (my personal mobile
  • is on and next to me in the bedroom due to personal matters needing me to be reachable) to say they won't be in that day or asking for annual leave etc. In the end I changed my personal number as so many had it and got work to issue me a work mobile which I then gave that number to the team and told them it would not be on from the hours of 8pm until 6.30am the following day.
  • Maybe consider going through the hassle of changing your personal number and telling work that your work mobile number will be on from a set time each day and off when on leave. That is suitable boundaries
  • No_Worker_8216 If you have a company cell phone, they should not try to contact you on your personal number unless it's an emergency. What's an emergency? The building is burning or whatever that may be in your field. It's perfectly ok to have boundaries. Your boss's insecurities are not yours to carry. Protect your peace and your personal life at all costs.
  • Before you have the boundaries discussion with the manager, check with HR what are the company policies and expectations with regards to your availability after hours and during vacations. Enjoy the rest of your honeymoon!
  • Relevant_Demand2... Oh yeah it's deliberate for sure. He clearly resents your time off and has found a way to always reach out implying you're still on the clock. Either ignore the message or A simple "hey respectfully, please don't contact me during my time off, anything will be addressed upon my return"
  • Ultimate_os You don't have to accept work calls or messages out of hours or on leave. Your manager is being completely disrespectful. If you don't like to talk about your personal life then just give basic/simple answers when asked. I'd
  • make it completely explicit on your OOO that you have no access to work communications or apps when you are away and will action requests when you get back. Hope the coworkers get the message.
  • jdogmomma I'm in the US, a northern state and my manager and his boss contact me at all hours in Slack. My work hours are 8-5. I stopped answering after the first few times. My boss sends tiktoks and stupid things, not like it's important.
  • Right-Neat-9720 Yes! This is a reasonable boundary! Approved leave means you're offline, honeymoon especially. Personal numbers are optional, not implied consent, and blocking it while keeping work channels open is professional, not escalatory.
  • Cleanest path is to be boringly consistent. Only respond on work channels, during work hours. If needed later: "I keep personal numbers private, but I'm reachable on work channels when I'm working."
  • If you're replaying it in your head, that's normal. Structuring your thoughts. with what actually happened. from what your mind is adding (I've used Mindfluent app for that) it helps shut the loop and put me at ease.
  • Novel-Organization... Answers to questions 1. Yes 2. No 3. Good luck with that. The manager sounds like a crazy stalker.
  • Mental-Freedom39... Explicitly explain boundaries. Black and white. Polite but firm. If he does it again, tell, him on the phone this is not considered an wmwrgency important enough to call and you expect respect of basic work behaviour.
  • Stempy21 Do not answer. He is lazy and won't look up what he needs to and you keep giving him what he needs without sticking to your own boundaries. You're busy on honeymoon. Don't answer. Good luck and congratulations
  • LazyKoalaty I don't know about where you are, but here it's illegal to contact someone who's on leave

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